MATA JI:  Baba Ji used to be very strict about going to sleep at 9pm.  Would then get up at 2.30, go to gurdwara 3am.  He did this for 7 years (1993-2000) and used to run a restaurant during the day (stopped after about 5 years).  I used to do all kinds of selfless service at the Gurdwara e.g. washed all dishes.


We would have carried on doing selfless service at the Gurdwara to this day if the committee hadn’t told us to go (they were worried at Baba Ji’s popularity.  People used to come, quickly bow and race downstairs to get blessings and guidance from Baba Ji who would be serving in the kitchen.).   From that day the selfless service at the Gurdwara finished.  I didn’t understand why the committee did that.   Our spiritual labouring ended on that day – Aug 2, 2000.  Then we went home and our home became the religious place,  because the congregation started coming to our home.


The turning point was that day.   We got home and a beam of light appeared on Baba ji.  The congregation started enjoying divine bliss (Anand).  Then Baba ji got the gift of knowing everything and said to me ‘Ask anything.’


It was so much awesome power.  God Himself talking through Baba ji.  We were like kids with a new toy.   I was asking about my past lives and even when we were going to die.  Baba ji was like a child sitting right in Supreme God’s (ParBrahm Parmesar Ji’s) lap and was giving answers before I  had even finished asking.


Baba ji found out that he has a very long life. 


After that weekend the awesome power slowed down, now Baba ji can still do it but has to pause and tap into it.  But now we don’t use that gift because we have gone above that.  Baba ji already knew about his own previous lives, that started years before when he went into samadhis (deep meditation).  But I found out about myself by questioning Baba ji at that time.  Things like where my soul had come from and how many previous lives I’d had.


In this life I grew up in Punjab next door to a Fakir’s Gurdwara.  Hindus came, Muslims came he loved them all.  He was a true saint (Brahmgiani – God conscious being).  He used to help anyone who came with a good heart.  My father was very close to him and the Fakir used to come to our house to eat.  But, the Fakir passed away when I was still a young girl.


Baba ji found out that the Fakir and my father were actually brothers in a past life that’s why they were still so close in this one.  Then I found out my own father and the Fakir were both my sons in past lives.   And also that I have been a mother to 250 Gurus in past lives.


When I married Baba ji his family was not religious at all…


BABA JI:   …she came to hell!


MATA JI:   I  brought pictures of Guru Nanak ji to put up, but my mother-in-law used to put other pictures infront of it.


(Baba Ji starts laughing)


BABA JI:  You know who’s laughing?


H: Supreme God (Parbrahm Parmesar ji)!


(Baba Ji smiles and laughs more)


BABA JI: He plays in every heart.


MATA JI:   Then I had a fight with her saying “You can hide the picture but you cant take HIM out of my heart!’ .   Baba ji was a fashionable modern New Delhi boy, so they thought they were modern and shunned backward Sikh religion.


BABA JI: I thought Canada was a backward country in social habits compared to lifestyle I was used to in India.  I had been to English medium schools and brothers were all educated.  Mother was from Delhi, but widowed at 32yrs old so it had its effect.  And Mata ji was a simple innocent village girl, she had a BA and was going for an MA, but didn’t know much about life.  She was youngest of 6.  But Mata ji is most advanced spiritually.


MATA JI:   Baba ji’s congregation was so pure that as soon as just one person had divine bliss (amrit) inside then it was infectious and everyone got intoxicated.   Other people used to come and think Baba ji must have put something into the tea!  I only used to come every two weeks to congregation on my weekends off.  I was living 120 Km away.  Baba ji’s congregations house was more in the hills away from the city.


BABA JI: I still have the feeling of going back to a house in the hills with a lake nearby once the kid’s education is finished.